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Former Jet Thomas Steen (left) joins Tory leader Hugh McFadyen at the MTS Centre for the announcement.Hugh McFadyen's vow to return the Jets to Winnipeg in the next four years is no more viable than any other recent NHL dream, a local sports economist says.
The provincial Conservative leader announced his plan to restore high-level professional hockey at the MTS Centre this morning, surrounded by white-wearing supporters and a crowd of young Manitobans.
The Jets promise kicked off the third point of McFadyen's five-point strategy - with the current phase driving at younger voters - but one economics expert claims the pledge does nothing more than fall short of reality.
University of Manitoba professor Ian Hudson specializes in the business of sport. He says McFadyen's promise, though touching on a hot-button issue, is essentially full of hot air.
"I suppose the announcement is realistic in the sense that if a government wanted to spend enough money they could bring back a team," Hudson says. "But the real problem with this promise is it isn't up to the province to get a team in Winnipeg. It's up to the NHL."
McFadyen says the Jets return would hinge primarily on private investors. McFadyen talked about an existing group known as the "young Turks" who are ready to step up and make the dream happen. Hudson, however, says the ultimate decision is to be made by a league not remotely interested in Winnipeg's economic offerings at this point.
"I was watching TSN a few days ago and Bob Mackenzie was talking about NHL expansion and Winnipeg was not even mentioned," he says. "There are a lot of American markets the league is eager to penetrate, like Las Vegas, that are way higher in the pecking order than we are. There's nothing the government can do to change that, and that's the cold hard fact."
A Conservative-run province would issue "Winner Bonds," similar to the "highly successful" Hydro Bonds introduced in 1989. McFadyen says the Hydro Bonds turned over $5 billion in sales, with an average $100-150 million per year since. A "White-Out to Win" lottery is also in Tory plans, as is a "special NHL Players' Tax" to fund operational costs. The tax is something that has worked with both Alberta NHL franchises, he says.
McFadyen claims a partnership with the "Young Turks" - a group of upwardly-mobile local investors already supporting the "Save the Jets" campaign - is in the works. But Hudson says even with all the basis points McFadyen has covered, the economics just aren't there right now.
"It would be difficult for an NHL team to make money in Winnipeg. Based on the size of our arena, the scale of coverage, at best a franchise would be marginally profitable. It's possible for a team to just scrape by," Hudson says.
NDP leader Gary Doer also confirmed his party's commitment to restoring NHL hockey in the province at his own youth-oriented announcement just prior to McFadyen's presser.
Doer says he has been part of meetings with various private sectors to bring back the Jets, but McFadyen states the NDP commitment - to both fostering the NHL dream and squashing the so-called young brain drain - has not been enough.
McFadyen used the empty MTS Centre to demonstrate the number of Manitobans - 35,000 - he claims have left the province under NDP governance. He says he believes young people would turn down a six-figure salary in western provinces to stay in an NHL-housing Winnipeg market.
"Some whisper it, some shout it, some don't even say it out loud," McFadyen says. "(They say) 'If you're really serious about creating opportunities and a youth-friendly capitol city, there's just one thing we want.' Young Manitobans want us, expect us to do everything in our power to bring back the Winnipeg Jets."
McFadyen says it is too early to even discuss specific strategies for dealing with the NHL.
Cory, you're wrong.
First of all, you claim the whole "Bring back the Jets" campaign is an unrealistic goal without providing a source, link, reason, or proof. Nothing. Nadda.
Secondly, yes, many thousands of youth, once educated, leave Manitoba for Alberta. Can't say I blame them. And yes, costs are high out there- but so are wages. So it balances out. Keep in mind there's no PST there either.
If costs were as "overwhelming" in Alberta as you made it out to be, wouldn't all those THOUSANDS that leave MB for AB turn right around and come back here?
An NHL team is the only way to save Winnipeg. To boost our morale and reputation. To revitalize downtown. To realize the full potential of our NHL-calibre MTS Centre.
You're yet another naysayer who just doesn't seem to "get it".
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I would like to repeat, If it was feasible and money was to be made there are plenty of wealthy people to bring in the team.
Those that could afford to do this look at the numbers. So far I do not hear any of them talking about this.
John, You are obviously in a field somewhere with no television, No radio & no knowledge of what IS happening & what HAS been happening to return the NHL to Winnipeg. I really think it's best you leave your ranting to yourself. If you have questions about the return, Post them, otherwise, move on.
If you want some names of interested parties; Here's a few for you. Otherwise, visit WWW.Jetsowner.COM for ALL the information you need.
David Asper & Family
Mark Chipman & Partners
Jeff Thompson ( Activa Consumer Promotions )
Just to name a few. It's been just over 10 years now. Everything that kept the Jets from being viable for Winnipeg has changed. From the Dollar amount, A New CBA for the league, New Arena, Revenue Sharing, etc. All make it a possibility. People in this City have to think back to how great it was for not only us but, the city of Winnipeg to be on the NHL Map. For me personally it doesn't matter who, and by what means they must use to bring the NHL back, I'll support it 100% as will ALL Manitobans once they realize how feasible this dream is. Soon, people with your attitude will wake out of a 10 year coma and start having some fun with the NHL again! I've never lost that feeling but, maybe it's time you started to chase it too.
I guess I am in a coma. I did go to the web page. I may not be to computer savvy but I did not see anything that would show that private big money was interested. Where can I find comments by; David Asper & Family,Mark Chipman & Partners,Jeff Thompson ( Activa Consumer Promotions ),On the current promises being made. If I missed them I am sorry but I have not heard any of them make announcement about how much money they are putting up to bring NHL here.
The goal of bringing an NHL team to Winnipeg is unrealistic for two reasons: the league has to approve any teams moving cities and there is a limitied supply on the commodity (teams) available. It is possible to arguee that some of the teams may or may not be for sale however with the current mind set in the NHL coporate office other cities with more money are going to be a higher priority than Winnipeg. You can name all the teams in the US that people claim are not going to make it but as long as people are willing to keep those teams there regardless on how profitable they are the situation is not going to change.
Heck, Hugh McFadyen might as well promise to bring an NFL, NBA and MBL team to the city in four years time as well since that is about as likely to happen as an NHL team.
Isn't it wonderful to have Alex and his buddy around to tell us that we're all wrong? LOL
I've posted this elsewhere - there are bigger issues in Winnipeg than a long gone hockey team. The Jets are gone how long now??? Give it a rest boys....
"An NHL team is the only way to save Winnipeg." Wow - sure glad you're not in office.
So I suppose on your planet hockey players are also doctors and nurses. Yes, that's right, and they also are police officers and other law enforcement personnel. Oh, and they help to create opportunities for our educated young to stay in our province? How wonderful! And in their spare time they are concerned about childcare costs wow, your planet seems amazing!
Here, in Winnipeg....Yelling 'Popcorn here!' at a NHL game is not something most youth have as a lifelong goal. Perhaps on your planet this is a great future for the kids.
I also have to wonder how involved the public will be. We are a notoriously 'cheap' population here. How many people are going to pay $50, $75+ per seat per game, and buy season tickets? This was a huge problem with the previous Jets. If they are doing well, then you get moderate crowds. If they are sucking, you get no crowds. Look at Toronto - they suck all the time and are always standing room only. Of course many of those tickets are corporate tickets owners, but still, people buy them. I would almost suggest that people ante up 2-3 years of season tickets (or some kind of guaranteed payment plan) once there is actual interest from the NHL to show that they mean business.
I frequently wonder if people like the idea of the Jets, but don't want the responsibility of the Jets.
Personally, I think it would be great to have the team back, and I am not much of a hockey fan. I think the stature and residual benefits would be great. But I also know that I would not buy season tickets for myself. Maybe (big maybe) for my company. So if there are lots more like me, we do not deserve a team. It would be more embarrassing to bring back the team and then go broke in 5 years and lose them, than to leave it as it is.
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Cory B » May 7th 2007, 15:04
Instead of prompoting an unrealistic goal of bringing the jets back why don't the leaders focus on other issues that are causing young people to leave the province.
There are stories about how people are moving from Manitoba to Alberta only to be shocked at the cost of living out there.
A better job needs to be done telling young people what careers are out there and the type of lifestyle they can live in Manitoba if they pursue them. Part of this is looking at the current "senior years" programs in the province and helping young people find a career path early and work towards in through high school and into post-secondary education.
While the money of an Alberta salary may seem nice on paper we ened to educate people about how much you will have after typical expenses. Once people start understanding that an Alberta dollar is not the same as a Manitoba dollar the other issues, such as the lack of an NHL team will be easier to address.